Can't get 'Confirm...' to work

[stevoj]

Sorry to bother you kind folks yet again, but I can't get switch quantise=confirm (cycle, sub-cycle or loop) to work at all. I've checked the manual and searched the old yahoo forum, but the scanty refererences to this mode suggest it should be working.

I'm presuming that functionality is similar to the EDP, ie, when the Next Loop button is pressed, I then press either Rec, OD, Mult, Ins or Mute, and at the next cycle, subcycle or loop point, the loop should switch to the next displayed loop with the appropriate action (ie, record, copy, etc). But nothing happens for me. It looks like it's about to work (ie, I can scroll through the loops by repeatedly pressing next loop), and the next action (eg, record) is displayed, but the switch just doesn't occur, while loop 1 keeps on repeating.

I'm guessing that there is some sort of conflict with my other settings, but I can't figure out what's causing this. Any ideas.

btw, I'm using ver 1.42 inside bidule.

Thanks

[Per Boysen]

I'm presuming that functionality is similar to the EDP, ie, when the Next Loop button is pressed, I then press either Rec, OD, Mult, Ins or Mute, and at the next cycle, subcycle or loop point, the loop should switch to the next displayed loop with the appropriate action (ie, record, copy, etc).
It was a while since I gave away my EDP but that is definitely not how I remember Switch Confirm! I think the Confirm Switch works like this: You press for a switching command and then you wait for a while and when you feel ready you *confirm* by pressing the same command a second time - and off you go. Before you confirme nothing happens, as you correctly report.

What you are mentioning is a second, ADDITIONAL, command to tell the looper what how to proceed after having done the switch. Such an additional command can be used both normal switching and with confirmed switching.

My favorite among such add commands is to go Next Loop and press Multiply before the switch occurs. What happens then is that you erase the content/length of the next loop and copy whatever audio/length is in the loop you are coming from. A nice alternative to stepping back a long Undo chain if you intend to trash things up.

[Jeff]

Confirm isn't something I use so I'm not sure how close my interpretation
was to the way the EDP does it. What happens is that while you are
in Confirm mode you can "stack" functions to happen after the loop switch,
but the switch won't actually happen until you press Undo.

From my reading of the EDP docs, Undo is the "trigger" gets you out
of the confirm mode and starts the loop switch. If you had stacked
some functions like Record, Overdub, etc. they will happen after the
loop switch.

The effect is similar to using Switch Quantize except you have more control
over when the switch happens.

Personally I don't like using Undo for this, I would rather that Undo cancel
the switch which is more obvious to me. But I wanted to follow the EDP
in this case. I may change that in the future.

[stevoj]

Thanks Per and Jeff for responding to this.

OK, to clarify this; I have an EDP in front of me with SwitchQuant set to CCY (confirm cycle). When I press NextLoop, the EDP waits until I press 1 other button, then, on the press of this 2nd button, it switches loop and takes the appropriate action. It DOES NOT wait for a further press of undo. Honestly.
(If the 2nd key pressed is undo while recording, this seems to behave the same as pressing record. However, during playback, undo simply switches to that loop)

This is pretty simple as far as I'm concerned. As you say Jeff, after pressing NextLoop, Mobius requires an extra keypress (undo) to confirm the 2nd keypress action. This is fine now that I know, although it would be simpler to have it behave like the EDP in this respect. You say that doing this enables 'stacking' of functions, but in use, I can only select a single function anyway. Also, I have to report that it doesn't actually work as expected anyway - eg, multiply copies the previous loop but doesn't go into multiply mode, it seems to do one copy. (I'm sure that I could script this though).

[Jengel]

Hey Jeff,

Been playing around with 1.45, using confirm cycle as the switch quantize behavior. It says Confrim as the mode on the screen, but when i queue it with a script using (message $mode) it says that it's in play. Also when I send it a confirm command it doesn't switch, I can only get it to do that with Undo at the moment.

Jesse