Release 1.42

[Jeff]

This release fixes a few recent bugs:

- Crash in Reaper when closing the VST edit window.

- Occasional crash in Global Reset.

- Ending a Multiply with Sync=Out sometimes jumps to the start of the
second cycle rather than beginning of the loop.


There are no new features, but I have been doing some work to support
the Novation Launchpad. It isn't finished yet, but if you have a
Launchpad you can use it in much the same way as you can in Ableton Live
to set level, pan, feedback, etc. Triggering loops and "clips" isn't
finished yet. Let me know if you're interested in testing this, I
plan to expand support over the next few releases and I'm interested
in what you would like to do with the Launchpad.

[stevoj]

cheers Jeff

[Per Boysen]

Originally Posted by Jeff

This release fixes a few recent bugs:
- Ending a Multiply with Sync=Out sometimes jumps to the start of the
second cycle rather than beginning of the loop.

Great to see this fixed now! It's just sick how good Mobius has become in a couple of years. Mobius now feels like a 3-D universe with no gravitation while other apps crawl like worms on the ground - flattened out by their own weight. ;-) He, he... can you *see* that image? And the good PacMans keep on smiling...

[rasmusfris]

Hi Jeff, Per........It sounds great with the new poosibilities with launcpad,
I will go and purchase one, tomorrow or the day after!!
Jeff , I can see that it is probably pretty much waste of time to build the controller I was planning.........with launchpad and a couple of midi-pedals ....there will be plenty of possibilities.. :-)
Thanks for sharing your great work !!
Rasmus

[Jeff]

Well I'm not so sure a custom surface is a complete waste.

The Launchpad is elegant in its simplicity, a grid of buttons you can use
in various ways. But things like showing the current values of parameters
can be awkward because you're limited to 8 "units" and the grid isn't
labeled (unless you do it yourself with tape) so it can be hard to
see what the state is without a lot of practice.

I liked your ideas and intend to implement some of your suggestions
about MIDI feedback of parameters (this also fits nicely with another
goal of providing an OSC interface).

[rasmusfris]

Hi Jeff, yeh thats right, it would be great with labels on dedicated buttons.......it sounds great that you like to follow up on some of the ideas with the midi feedback.
I got most of the parts laying around here for building the controller I have planned......so I will wait and see what happens with Mobius
The Launchpad will be a great start, and I will for shure label it with tape :-)
Rasmus

[rasmusfris]

Hi Jeff, I did read some post from you about the launchpad,
will some of this prevent using the launchpad as a ordinary midicontroller ??
I dont really understand what this is about ??

Rasmus


"Jeff Larson

I’ve been working with the Launchpad for a few days. I don’t intend to use it with Live, I’m writing a “driver” for it to be used by the Mobius looper. It’s a very simple device which makes it easy to work with.

People have commented that that the Akai isn’t “open” because they haven’t published their MIDI spec. They should of course, but it should also be rather trivial to reverse engineer it by inserting a MIDI monitor and watching the dialog between the APC and Live. It’s just MIDI. If Akai doesn’t do it soon, someone will.

On using the Monome with Ableton, I don’t believe Ableton is locked into using the Launchpad MIDI device to receive Launchpad commands. When you configure the Launchpad you have to tell it which MIDI input and output device to use. In practice this is always the Launchpad device but you could also select another device that just happened to send and respond to the same MIDI notes. If you had a MIDI device driver that interfaced with the Monome, then you could make the Monome look just like the Launchpad. You could also do this without device drivers by writing a normal application that was wired in with MIDI Yoke.

I too don’t get the backlash from the Monome tribe. Do they have a patent on backlit grid controllers?
November 5, 2009 @ 4:53 pm
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Jordaan

Akai finally released the midi documentation

http://www.akaipro.com/extras/produc...ocol_rev_1.pdf
November 5, 2009 @ 11:01 pm
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Jordaan

They also released an image with the cc/note numbers overlayed on the apc 40 in their latest news letter but I have no idea how to link to it. So I guess it is not a break through completely but good to see some steps being taken.

@Peter perhaps was when you finally put the spot light on the issue that Akai started to get a move on. Thanks for your efforts!
November 5, 2009 @ 11:09 pm
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Jordaan

Sorry about leaving multiple posts but here is the image I had issues with. They had a placeholder .gif image that you click to link to the actual image.

Anyway, it is worth looking at:

http://www.akaipro.com/extras/produc...0/APC40map.jpg
November 5, 2009 @ 11:37 pm
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Jeff Larson

Correction: I played around with splicing in a Launchpad simulator with MIDI Yoke. There is indeed somethig “special” going on with the Launchpad MIDI driver that Live requires. It doesn’t appear to be in the MIDI stream, it’s either something about the driver it expects, or something lower at the USB level. I’d be willing to bet you can spoof this but it might require writing a device driver.
November 5, 2009 @ 11:39 pm
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Jeff Larson

Correction2: Does two wrongs make a right?

I think you can spoof this. I wired MIDI-OX & MIDI Yoke in between
Live and the Launchpad and watched the traffic. Live was opening
MIDI Yoke devices, it did not have direct contact with the Launchpad.
Everything was going pretty much according to spec until this:

00014D85 1 — B0 11 60 1 — Control Change
00014D88 1 — B0 12 12 1 — Control Change
00014D88 1 — B0 13 1C 1 — Control Change
00014D8A 1 — B0 14 00 1 — Control Change
00014DA6 13 — F0 Buffer: 8 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 00 20 29 06 7A 31 F7

CC’s 11-14 are not documented. Mysteriously the Launchpad responded
with a little Sysex. This seems to be the key.

The next step is to write an application that simulates this handshake
without the Launchpad even being connected.
November 6, 2009 @ 12:21 am
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Jeff Larson

Oh how clever. There’s some amount of crypto in here.

The little block of CC values changes now and then as does
the last two bytes of the sysex response:

Send: 43 1B 21 12
Return: 22 7B

Send: 1D 40 41 13
Return: 55 30

Send: 4F 6E 46 07
Return: 55 63

Send: 61 5E 5F 11
Return: 4F 3A

Send: 60 67 65 00
Return: 29 12

Okay crypo guys, what’s the pattern?
November 6, 2009 @ 12:51 am"

[genmce]

Originally Posted by Jeff

This release fixes a few recent bugs:

- Crash in Reaper when closing the VST edit window.

- Occasional crash in Global Reset.

- Ending a Multiply with Sync=Out sometimes jumps to the start of the
second cycle rather than beginning of the loop.


There are no new features, but I have been doing some work to support
the Novation Launchpad. It isn't finished yet, but if you have a
Launchpad you can use it in much the same way as you can in Ableton Live
to set level, pan, feedback, etc. Triggering loops and "clips" isn't
finished yet. Let me know if you're interested in testing this, I
plan to expand support over the next few releases and I'm interested
in what you would like to do with the Launchpad.

Please let me know how I can help you test the launchpad version.
I am new to Mobius - so I need some time to get up to speed in using it.

[teomore]

I would also like to test the new launchpad features, I bought one just for using it with Mobius